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Subplots: When Do They Suck?
How can writers avoid the dreaded D-level B-plot? Today we're talking about how to identify and bolster weak subplots.
I saw this topic spring up online recently, and it got me thinking: what makes a subplot bad? As a writer, it’s an important question—the fewer bad subplots, the more money we make. The more money we make, the faster we become eccentric weirdos hammering away on a typewriter in our custom-built, cliff-perched, storm-wracked Enya castles. I mean, the more fulfilling art we can make or…
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Zukka AU where both are caught by the Dai Li and brainwashed into thinking they are a couple
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Where Sokka (High on cactus juice) is kidnapped in place of Appa and taken to the Dai Li
At the same time Zuko is caught around Ba Sing Se walls and taken to the river
To kill two birds with one stone the Dai Li decide to brainwash the two into believing they are a newly engaged couple moving away to start a new life (It's much easier to follow the lives of the Avatar's Friend and the Fire Nation Prince if the two are together)
PLOT TWIST: Despite having the history and facts about it, neither Sokka nor Zuko actually feel attracted to each other (Sokka actually feeling angry)
The two decide to continue the charade around people while investigating who they are and what really happened to them
Featuring: Sokka being a great liar but a terrible actor, Zuko being a a terrible liar and a great actor, people finding the two an adorable couple, the Dai Li wondering who is breaking into their facility and the two idiots slowly falling in love
#I won't write this because I have NO IDEA how to deal with the Dai Li plot#BUT#I have ideas about the rest#The subplot could be: The gaang (+ Iroh who they found along the way while searching for Sokka and discover that Iroh was looking for Zuko)#trying to find these two while everything is against them just like the original show#+ another subplot could be the problems that the lower rings has and the people on there (who are going to become “important” characters)#They both have to work because y'know rent#Zuko still works on the tea shop but it's not that famous since Iroh is not there#Sokka babysits the kids and teach how to fight#CAN YOU IMAGINE THEY LIVYING TOGHETER??#The awkard silence at first because “Who is this guy i'm suppose to love??”#And Sokka just hating Zuko for nothing#but after a while they start to like eachother for the little things#the way Sokka hands twich when he is nervos#the little smirk Zuko gives when he things Sokka jokes are funny but doesn't want to laugh#JUST THEM BEING THEM YOU KNOW????#It could be a comedy with a little angst and A LOT OF FLUFF#I have so many ideas about this#zukka#fanfic#fanfic ideas#fanfiction#ao3#atla zukka#sokka#zuko#atla#atla zuko#zuko x sokka#avatar the last airbender
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I really wanna start writing more mini-series fics so I can get better at plot until I can finally write my own full-length books. That’s the dream. If I can master plot I can do anything 💪🏼
#drayspersonal#monster fucker#monster blog#monster books#monster writing#monster series#i struggle with it#subplot#my nemesis#I’m a classic underwriter#but this old fan fic of mine was at 140k when I stopped writing it#idk how i did it#but i want to#once again#💪🏼
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Amphibia is proof that the best character writing tip is to make everyone at least a little bit problematic
#this is why all of my OCs are horrible people in one way or another#this goes for relationships too#lum1ty is cute and all but nothing about it ever destroyed me nearly as much as even the most tame scene between any members of#the calamity trio. and ik it's because the relationship between those 3 is what drives the story while lum1ty is a romantic subplot and all#but my objection is: that's precisely the problem#it's supposedly meant to be the fluff amongst the angst. a refuge from everything else that happens in the show#plus it's not the MAIN main relationship of the show - the main relationship is between Eda Luz and King#but... i genuinely believe divorcing lum1ty from the rest of the story does them a disservice. imagine how could it would have been if#they let amity be a little bit worse. deeper into the emperor's coven or something. with a more intense rivalry w luz#characters in toh just need more Drama imo especially luz's friends#hunter is great *because* he's Dramatic#this isn't toh bashing. i love toh. i just can't help but feel it's an example of characters being too... *nice*#cant remember who said that the only thing worth writing about was the human heart in conflict with itself and#im sorry but you can't convince me a character like gus or willow is just as much in conflict with themselves as like. idk. hop pop.
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Have I watched the Pokemon Anime lately?
No.
Do I have some ideas for the Sinnoh Region?
Kinda.
#the thing is I kinda want to work with the Sinnoh Region with Ash and everyone#Why? I dunno#One of my biggest ideas is adding Tobias more early on as an unstoppable threat and someone that should be feared by#Like adding him in the Darkrai Movie to bond with the Pokemon as to explain how he got it#make him beat Brandon after Paul lost to him#make him and Ash have full battle with Ash's Best Pokemon with his Team Of Legendaries#I also want to give Ash a Glaceon because that is my favourite Eeveeloution#Have more Paul scenes and more of the subplot with Chimchar#Have Infernape Sceptile Pikachu Charizard Glaceon and Heracross battle against Tobias' Team and almost beat him#more variety of Pokemon for Ash and everyone else to use#Maybe I could write a one shot once I start rewatching the Sinnoh League#Pokemon#pokemon diamond and pearl#sinnoh#Tobias pokemon#ash ketchum
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stages of grief and the milo nicky dynamic as well as their fatal flaws depicted perfectly in the antitrust the board game subplot, no notes.
#the merry lives of pepper ann is so important to me#like this shows writing is too good sometimes#it seems like a little useless subplot slash excuse to but connects back to the main themes of the episode and stuff#it also shows how nicky always makes the excuse of the greater good no matter what it is#oh you'll think you'll free us little? you think you are free??? from competitive behaviors??#also the fact that both are highly competitive ppl at the end of the day#pepper ann#nicky little#milo kamalani#the merry lives of pepper ann
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Welp! Into the trash bin this show goes.
#that was such a fucking lame finale that was so dishonest to the narrative#underwhelming confrontation with abuser 1#ridiculous and unbelievable heel turn from abuser 2#cheap and lazy shortcut to make abuser 3 a hero#straight up bizarre inclusion of the work subplot#happy epilogue about two characters we have never met bc that sure af wasn't the people we know#really giving new meaning to unearned happy ending#it did pretty much everything i feared this show was going to do from the start#this show should be used to teach people how to spot bad writing#anyway#i'm glad i knew something was off from the start and never got invested#secret relationships#secret relationships the series#korean bl#shan shouts into the void
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writing ziva's diaries and I thought I'd never do that
#you all know how hard i find ziva#but i guess... it worked out???#my plan???#it's been 3 fics since i wrote everything in her pov#and i kinda... understand her better? wow#who would've thought#that practice makes you find it easier wow#sofia writes#also this whole journaling subplot#i have some thoughts about it
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Trein - Adoption
Mozus released a deep sigh and closed his book. Lucius gave him a small meow before curling into a tighter ball in his lap. Mozus gave the feline a generous scratch behind the ear while he glanced around the small space that was his “home-away-from-home.”
It was a cozy space—with a functioning fireplace, ample shelving for his history books, and an adequate kitchenette to brew his afternoon tea. His only complaint would be being able to hear Ashton and Percival when their drinking games went a bit too far, but that was the caveat for living on the campus with the other staff. Even now, he could hear the two men giggling through the walls, their Friday night drinking already started.
Speaking of time…Lucius gave a huff when Mozus moved him just enough to retrieve the pocket watch from his pocket. The girls should be calling him soon, as they usually did when their stepmother finished her call to Asher. He had a bit to tell her tonight, especially concerning Palacios and his escalating antics with transformation potions. She had laughed off his concerns last week—stating Asher had assured her his little friend was harmless—but Mozus knew he could rally her support when he told her...
A short knock on his door brought his strategizing to a halt. With an upset mewl, Lucius jumped from his lap when Mozus beckoned him. Pocketing his watch, Mozus shuffled across the room to open the door.
He quirked a brow when he found Divus standing outside his door, looking like he had just sniffed the foulest potion he could possibly brew. “Yes?”
Divus’s eyes rudely flicked up and down. “I didn’t realize you owned something other than a suit.”
Mozus scowled at the young professor. Lucius emitted an unhappy rumble as he wrapped himself around Mozus’s ankles. “Did you knock on my door simply to insult my wardrobe?”
One corner of Divus’s mouth quirked upwards. “Perhaps that would have been a reason when I was still a student, but at this age I’m...” Divus paused. His brow caved inward, and the bridge of his nose wrinkled. “I’m in need of advice.”
Sensing the sober undertones in the younger professor’s voice, Mozus stepped aside and gestured Divus into his small apartment. Divus stepped in and quickly maneuvered around the room to stand in front of the two chairs framing the bookshelf. Divus didn’t sit until Mozus gestured him to, which earned him a bit of respect. Divus had been an outspoken rebel many years ago when he first stepped into Mozus’s classroom as a student, but that rebellion had tempered a bit during his tenure as a professor. He was still a bit of a hellion at times, but there was a maturity to it now that helped Mozus have a bit more patience. In front of the students at least.
Mozus carefully sat across from Divus. He made a small gesture for Lucius to jump into his lap, which the feline did without hesitation. Lucius’s loud purr became background noise while he spoke. “I assume the advice you're searching for is on a serious topic. Over the last decade you have taught here, you have never once sought me outside of school hours.”
Divus hummed his agreement. He shifted in the chair until one leg stretched comfortably across the other. The casual posture brought more attention to his foot jiggling in the air. “I know you haven’t made it public knowledge, but Asher Kindle is your stepson.”
Mozus didn’t attempt to hide his surprise at the statement. “Indeed, he is. Though his mother and I both agreed it was for the best he maintain his father’s surname. I had believed that would keep anyone from drawing a connection between us after he enrolled.”
Divus twitched one hand in a dismissive gesture. “I’m not here to accuse you of favoritism. I’m sure anyone would immediately catch on to such a thing considering your reputation among the students.” That singular curl of Divus’s lips returned when Mozus scowled at him. It quickly drooped again, and his foot jiggled a bit more. “If you don’t mind me asking, did you fully adopt the boy?”
Mozus blinked, and his annoyance simmered once more into surprise. Lucius’s tail flicked under his chin when he stopped petting. “Indeed, I did. Just as my wife adopted my daughters. We are a family in every sense of the word.”
Divus hummed and leaned back into his chair. His fingers steepled above his knee. “And the process—how difficult was it?”
Mozus copied Divus’s motions, leaning into his chair and resuming his petting motions for Lucius’s enjoyment. “It was fairly easy. All that was required was our signing a few official documents.” Mozus quirked one brow. “It helped that there wasn’t another biological parent to contest the adoption and all of the children were born in Twisted Wonderland.”
Divus gave him a nasty scowl, but Mozus challenged him with a haughty stare. The younger man wanted his advice, and Mozus wasn’t keen to dance around the topic he wished to address. When Divus’s lips remained tightly shut, Mozus continued. “In the case of Maddox, there isn’t much point in venturing down that path. At eighteen, he is considered a legal adult. I would advise more of a power of attorney status in that situation. That way if anything were to happen to the boy, you would be the one to make important decisions concerning his welfare, not his dubious father.
“As for Yuu...” Mozus hummed. “That is a trickier matter. On paper, the child doesn’t exist. If the headmage fails to find a way to send the child home, then that may become an issue when the school year ends. At the very least, the child could become a ward of the state.”
“Only because the child doesn’t exist on paper,” Divus repeated. His jiggling foot had calmed a bit. “Say there were papers that existed...papers that only needed another person to witness the signing…”
Before Mozus could question the odd insinuation, another knock sounded at his door. Divus jumped up before Mozus could and opened the door without hesitation. Percival hiccupped as he took a swaying step into the room, his lanky form bending like a piece of grass in the wind. He saluted Divus, plastering his pink bangs against his forehead. “Dr. Percival Ellington—Head Nurse of Night Raven College—at your service, ringmaster.”
“I thought I told you to hold off on drinking so early,” Divus snapped. “You’re already plastered.”
“No, I'm—.” A hiccup interrupted Percival. He rapidly blinked and paused long enough to appear baffled by his surroundings. He giggled. “I use plaster for booboos.”
Divus clicked his tongue against the back of his teeth. “You can still recite your name, which is good enough. Come here.”
Percival allowed himself to be guided over to the chairs. He gave Mozus a friendly wave. “Heya, professor! Wanna come share a drink with me an’ Gassy? We’re gonna celebrate Dee being a new daddy!”
Mozus didn’t bother answering Percival. Instead, he watched Divus pull a small packet of paper from the inside pocket of his coat and flatten the pages against the nearby side table. He shot a narrowed stare at Percival before manhandling the nurse into a position on the opposite side of the table. “Percy, just stand there and watch us sign the papers.”
“Uh huh.” Aside from his loose movements and the slight slur in his speech, Mozus could almost believe the man was sober. Until he nearly faceplanted into the table. “I’ll watch real close!”
Divus sighed and pushed Percival back into an upright position. “Just stand there, Percy. That’s all I ask.”
“Okie dokie!”
“Divus.” Mozus stood, placing Lucious into his chair. He stepped up to the table beside the younger men to get a better view of the papers Divus rapidly flipped through. His frown lengthened when he caught the heading of one page. “You can’t possibly think I would agree to this.”
“You do tend to be a stickler for the rules,” Divus mumbled. His hand never paused scribbling his initials and exaggerated signature. “But tell me—what rules are we breaking exactly? You yourself admit the prefect doesn’t exist on paper. I’m simply creating the paper trail to give her existence legitimacy. It’s really no different than a doctor signing a birth certificate.”
“Except you are no doctor,” Mozus snapped. “A child is no mere commodity to be flung around on a whim.”
Divus sighed, and his pen finally paused. He straightened from his hunched posture. He tipped his chin higher and looked Mozus straight in the eye with an unwavering gaze. “I’m aware of that. Which is why I am creating an existence for the girl. On the off-chance Crowley doesn’t find a way to return her to her world—on the off-chance she has no world to return to. As a minor, she would become a ward of the state just as you said. Taken away from what she has become familiar with and thrust into a world she still grasps to understand. Do you think anyone would be interested in taking in a child her age? Do you think she would be allowed the freedom she has found here? Her mind would rot in the public education system, where she will be told her lack of magic is a defect that holds her back, though she’s proven a better grasp at potions and the understanding of magic basics than most mages twice her age. You would subject a girl to that life simply because of a technicality of her legal existence?”
Mozus pressed his lips together. It wasn’t difficult for Divus to become...passionate on a topic. Mozus genuinely believed the younger man could have become the housewarden of Pomefiore dorm as a student had he shown more interest in potion making at the time. Tenacity was simply a nicer word than the bullheaded stubbornness Divus could embody when he wanted to.
That wasn’t entirely what Mozus saw in Divus’s gaze though. The tension in his shoulders slackened a bit. He closed his eyes and rubbed at the sudden ache between his brows. “You could lose your position here if this forgery is discovered.”
“Forgery implies these aren’t legitimate documents.” Mozus didn’t need to see Divus to hear the smirk on his face. “I assure these are completely legitimate along with the notarization stamped on them.”
Mozus couldn’t help directing a sharp gesture at Percival, who could barely stand upright without Divus consistently pushing him back into place. “And I’m to believe Percival is the notary you chose to witness this signing?”
Divus’s smirk widened. “As a matter of fact, yes.”
Percival pulled a stamper from his pocket with a happy hiccup. “I gotta stamp too!”
Mozus should have known. He had watched the two men—then students of Heartslabyul and Pomefiore—run amuck on the campus. Why wouldn’t they continue to support each other as staff? “And you truly believe you can fool the world into believing this child is a distant cousin you wish to gain guardianship over? What if someone from your family comes forward to expose you?”
Divus’s expression barely shifted, but Mozus caught the hard glint that briefly passed over his eyes. “After fifteen years of openly shunning me and pretending I never existed? I would love to see them try. Now sign the damn papers, Trein. I only need your signature to prove it was really me who signed the papers and Percival who notarized them. I’ll even let you witness the papers when Maddox and I establish a power of attorney if that’ll help relieve that rule abiding Heartslabyul spirit of yours.”
Sensing Divus wouldn’t budge, Mozus finally took the pen Divus held out to him and signed the lines Percival’s wobbly finger pointed at. Afterwards, while Divus reluctantly escorted a wobbly Percival back to Ashton’s apartment, Mozus flipped through the documentation. He paused on the front page.
Yuki Crewel—a bit common, but an easy way to explain her “nickname” being Yuu. Mozus shook his head and placed the papers in a safe place for Divus to retrieve. He settled back in his chair with Lucious and searched his bookshelf for a new book to read while listening to Ashton’s and Percival’s loud voices insisting Divus join them.
While he didn’t fully approve of Divus’s methods, he couldn’t deny the young man’s obvious attempts to give the two children under his wing one less thing in life to worry about.
#twisted wonderland#twstober#day 31 family#divus crewel#mozus trein#original character#worldbuilding#this might not make sense#but it's a subplot in my longer fic#because who cares about how the legal process actually works?#plus i take any excuse to write dad crewel#also trein is married in my universe#because how else can i have an excuse to make a twisted version of cinderella :D
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It’s still pretty annoying to me when people downplay issues with the Lu romance as wanting a Latin lover type of archetype because idk about them but I enjoy different types of romance and the one thing that unites everything from slow burns to the raunchier love affairs is that Good Romance is as much about the build up as the pay off and A Lot of People agree that there was Very Little Build Up in Lucanis’s route
#lucanis dellamorte#me saying ‘I liked it but it could have been much better’ does not qualify as trying to shove him into an archetype he does not fit#it’s that I have read and enjoyed slow burns for about as long as I have interacted with fandom spaces and this Was Not That#it’s also about capitalism and its effect on creative industries and how it’s impacted the writing throughout the whole game#but just because you personally enjoyed a subplot as it is doesn’t mean other ppl aren’t allowed to take issue with it#also another unrelated but not really sort of thought people disagreeing with something writers have said is not the same as attacking said#writers those are two separate types of people and there are ways to politely disagree#disliking someone’s writing choice is not immediately a personal attack#some people just don’t know how to act#dav thots
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arcane manages to have the most bland, mediocrely executed sapphic relationship ever for something people insisted for years i had to watch “because it’s gay”
#feel like I’m swinging a bat at a hornets nest with this one#I really enjoy other elements of the story ! but I cannot believe this is what was being hyped#cait hater hours and also vi is rendered so flat by the story’s refusal to like#interrogate any of her time being abused by the authorities in prison??#I get that maybe it’s inconvenient since they need to take vi a certain director of whatever but like#then find another way to get her away for a while so she can return to the underground as the audience surrogate learning what’s changed#deciding to throw her in prison for her formative years and then never really interrogate that is a WILD choice#bc how else will she get so cozy with a cop fast enough the writers can assure us it’s not queer baiting haha#I swear a sense of anxiety surrounding being accused of queer baiting has made queer writing worse#vi is a worse character bc of her romance subplot and I stand by that#abby.txt
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2024 reads / storygraph
The Principle of Moments
start of a scifi space opera series
a teen girl in the far future where humans are oppressed learns she has a destiny & a lost sister and escapes
and a young time traveler who’s given up trying to find his father through time, and is about to settle in 1812 with the prince he loves, but is unwillingly thrust into the future
they both learn their fates are entangled by a prophecy, and have to race across the galaxy, followed by a galactic emperor and the legacy of heroes from an ancient religion
#The Principle of Moments#aroaessidhe 2024 reads#this started off pretty good - interesting characters and worldbuilding; easy to read#but it felt like a bit too much was going on and I kinda checked out from the last third and didn’t care anymore.#It felt very much like the plot was just happening to the characters and they didn’t have much effect on it all.#It’s very classic space opera chosen one story! it’s fun and ambitious! a lot of doctor who vibes -#but also like if you tried to fit the entirety of timelord lore into one or two episodes haha.#It also had a couple classic space opera pitfalls.. like how this evil alien race was described as looking evil (in various ways). hm.#I actually really loved the writing style of the excerpt snippets in the beginning and would have been keen for most of it to be like that.#but also probably with the book being shorter.#there’s humor thrown in there that was sometimes funny but also sometimes awkward.#The time travelers speak very modern (despite none of it being set in the present) which like - obviously anachronism is gonna be inherent#to time travelers but sometimes it felt awkward. or like.. the other characters didn’t comment on it?#There were a couple moments that felt like a tv script gag that just came across badly on the page#gay prince romance was cute but kinda was thrown in the deep end then it’s barely relevant for most of the story.#The whole london subplot felt unneccesary. The random romance subplot the girl gets felt out of nowhere.#anyway it's decent! just fell apart a bit and didn't live up to my expectations
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cannot get over how theodore 7th time loop is written actually. 13 year old's suicidal tendencies resolved by having polite conversation with the person he loves most and whom he was doing all that for, and who has never before in his life clearly communicated with him at all, and who due to his own emotional immaturity decided that the best way to protect his desperate younger brother is to never talk to him and act as terrifying as possible around him. one unwell child eliminating another unwell child's problems, that he was contributing to, in a single conversation
like i cant get over how quickly the conflict was introduced and resolved.
#v*ncent n*ghtray is crying in my brain as i write this#not to say that that was his exact situation he just lives in my brain so that subplot reminded me of him#i just wish 7th time loop was more fucked up and better written. like arnold is gonna commit patricide in a few years#youd think thered be some atmospheric tension regarding the complete absence of his father in the plot (when we know hes right there in the#same palace)#im just imagining a version of it thats more fucked up and better written and also with less generic alternate-europe worldbuilding#generally when i fing myself wishing a story was more fucked up i do stop to consider that maybe thats my fault and im expecting it to be#something it isnt. and that fair on its own#however the writing IS bad - disregarding my own preferences#and i suppose its just that when im thinking of how it could be better my preferences affect my ideas#however if i WAS well written - just not to my tastes - my brain would not be complaining about it#also the economics in this show are so nothing. like again no effort put in. i struggle with understanding money related concepts#all the time but even i can see that
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I will finish this at a later date probably
Work in progress of Judy Hodiah*, the secondary main character of Copyright Free Snowbird (still no name)
@randosfandos be my cheerleader (please)
*not her surname anymore don't freak out
#my art#digital art#snowbird adjacent#copyright free snowbird#judas hodiah#judy#gasp WORDS for a background?? inconceivable!!#just realised her coat is almost the exact same colour as her skin. whoops#ive been writing both copyright free snowbird and snowbird at the same time#ive actually been making a lot of progress on snowbird because of it!#when i lose focus on snowbird (they cant always be in hell all the time after all) i switch to my original story and vice versa#tbh the girlies are still going through it but now there's less of the whole torment subplot#im trying a different style (because i am better at art now) and idk how i feel about it#obviously the more realistic faces (wouldnt call it realism tho) are an improvement but the line weight? the colouring method? the shading?#its all a little ehhhhhh#ill work on this i think i should have more free time later#im working on snowbird i promise i promise#judas kinnunen#KINNUNEN dipshit why would you even uh why would you even type anything else hah mean spirited laughter#i canf be bothered to move the tags tbh and you know what why SHOULDNT people see my progression#the characters being finnish isnt super relevant to the story tbh i just want a little consistency with the setting#obvioudly theres gonna be a lot of suspension of disbelief but i think it would help make the characters feel a little more real
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I know it can be annoying hearing Russell T Davies go “actually, Famed Longrunning Sci-fi Character will never have a relationship as good and meaningful as the one they had with my OC, with whom they invented romance” but the thing you have to understand is that he’s 100% correct
#NOT tagging the show I know how people can get about Longrunning British Sci-fi Show#but honesty you write a romance subplot that good you get to be a little self-indulgent about it#nonsense
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Was kinda interesting watching Aquaman 2 do that thing Hollywood movies do where a villain barks orders in an non-English language to signal to the American audience that they're foreign and scary, except this time the actress doing it was speaking portuguese so I actually understood everything she was saying and it was just weird and abrupt. I guess they just told her to translate and say the lines in her own language but didn't direct her how to adapt the dialogue accordingly, so she ends up just telling the henchmen to pick up a guy in a very stilted formal factual manner while everything's exploding around them, that was kinda funny.
#not criticizing or blaming the actress here she was allright#it's Aquaman 2 nobody was on their a-game here#anyway movie was actually okay#not the worst thing I had occasionally fun times watching it#by the DCEU standards it was actually pretty good#for better or worse it felt way more like a Monsterverse movie for most of it#you can almost exactly pinpoint the scenes made when it was a major blockbuster sequel project#and the ones they made not giving a shit anymore knowing this was their last dance and just having fun with it#plenty of the ones in the latter are even some of the best in the movie#just Momoa and Wilson dicking around Jumanji sets#ending is very schmaltzy and optimistic and you can pick that and the enviromentalist angle#as what Momoa contributed to the writing because it feels very much an actor writing their hero character's finale thing#not complaining about it tho I find that kind of stuff interesting even if it isn't good#I mean why not go with that at this point#fuck it let's rip off a subplot from Black Panther and end with a limp imitation of the Iron Man 1 ending why not#Aquaman Saves the World and Patrick Wilson Eats A Cockroach and that's how the DCEU ends#honestly a more dignified fashion than it ever deserved to end
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